Anyone have any info on wiring and vacuum line routing for an 84
carburated Rabbit? Put it in a deisel rabbit pickup and lost some tags.
Bently’s diagrams dont match colors I have in wiring harness/vacuum lines.
Thanks. malp…@market1.com or malp…@kktv.com
February 27, 2010
carburated 84 rabbit
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>package called "VR-4." This includes chip, cam, filter, and
wires for around $550. Does anyone have one of these
packages? Is it effective? I was not aware that a 1.8 16v
was capable of taking a chip. Will this improve my power
in the 1000-4000 rpm range? And why are they calling this
thing "VR-4" ? As far as I can tell the engine is still an INLINE 4
after getting the package….:)
Mike Barker
Arron, thought that this would be a neat play on wording for a complete
bolt on package for the 8v motors. It has nothing to do with the arrangement
of the cylinders.
Later, Mike
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
vwfr…@biddeford.com wrote:
> Was just flipping through the new EC, and I noticed something
> different about the APS (Neuspeed) add. It is now selling a
> package called "VR-4." This includes chip, cam, filter, and
> wires for around $550. Does anyone have one of these
> packages? Is it effective? I was not aware that a 1.8 16v
> was capable of taking a chip. Will this improve my power
> in the 1000-4000 rpm range? And why are they calling this
> thing "VR-4" ? As far as I can tell the engine is still an INLINE 4
Mike..
I saw this add too, and you’re right, the 1.8 16v (CIS-e) engine is not
capable of being chip tuned like the later 16v engines are, so we loose
on that, also, because of the fuel distributor location, the 1.8 16v is
also not a candidate for the trendy filter option, last I knew. I’m guessing
that this mod, like all others, will not improve the mid/low power range,
that is just the characteristic of the engine design, which is why the
1.8 was orphaned for the 2.0.
I encourage the engineer(s) from Neuspeed to jump in on this thread.
My resultant, albiet cynical, conclusion was this is just another gimmick
from the APS/Neuspeed gruppo to get more of our $$$. I am also curious
how VWoA is letting them get away with the badges, as it is obviously
heavily borrowed from the vr6 badge, with only the final digit being unique.
Not to mention that it’s rather bogus to make these claims/comparisons
considering why is vr6 is called a vr6. V— two cylider banks that meet
at a common point, forming a "V" R —- for the radical design of this
engine that places the cylinder banks at a mere 15 deg angle and has
slightly staggered pistons to achive that angle, 6— the number of cylinders.
(sorry– I couldn’t resist pointing out the obvious)
If Neuspeed needs an East Coast prophet, for their new vr4 system,
I would be interested in having one installed in my car for some real
life testing.
regards
Marc Stress
88 16 GTi
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
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> Marc Stress <mvstr…@syr.edu> writes:
> vwfr…@biddeford.com wrote:
> > Was just flipping through the new EC, and I noticed something
> > different about the APS (Neuspeed) add. It is now selling a
> > package called "VR-4." This includes chip, cam, filter, and
> > wires for around $550. Does anyone have one of these
> > packages? Is it effective? I was not aware that a 1.8 16v
> > was capable of taking a chip. Will this improve my power
> > in the 1000-4000 rpm range? And why are they calling this
> > thing "VR-4" ? As far as I can tell the engine is still an INLINE 4
> I saw this add too, and you’re right, the 1.8 16v (CIS-e) engine is not
> capable of being chip tuned like the later 16v engines are, so we loose
> on that, also, because of the fuel distributor location, the 1.8 16v is
> also not a candidate for the trendy filter option, last I knew. I’m guessing
> that this mod, like all others, will not improve the mid/low power range,
> that is just the characteristic of the engine design, which is why the
> 1.8 was orphaned for the 2.0.
Mark, if our engines are not capable of being chipped (like I thought) why does
the package for "1987-92 1.8-2.0 16v Golf II, Jetta II" include a chip? Do you think
they have found some new thing to do to it (the 1.8)? BTW, this kit has a simple K&N,
not the whole P-Flo thing (as you suspected).
> I encourage the engineer(s) from Neuspeed to jump in on this thread.
> My resultant, albiet cynical, conclusion was this is just another gimmick
> from the APS/Neuspeed gruppo to get more of our $$$. I am also curious
> how VWoA is letting them get away with the badges, as it is obviously
> heavily borrowed from the vr6 badge, with only the final digit being unique.
> Not to mention that it’s rather bogus to make these claims/comparisons
> considering why is vr6 is called a vr6. V— two cylider banks that meet
> at a common point, forming a "V" R —- for the radical design of this
> engine that places the cylinder banks at a mere 15 deg angle and has
> slightly staggered pistons to achive that angle, 6— the number of cylinders.
> (sorry– I couldn’t resist pointing out the obvious)
Exactly why I asked the original question as to how this thing got its name….
The engine is still an I-4, it can never be a VR anything! You are correct
except I think the "R" stands for a german word for "narrow angle." Anyone?
> If Neuspeed needs an East Coast prophet, for their new vr4 system,
> I would be interested in having one installed in my car for some real
> life testing.
Same here….:)
Mike Barker
vwfr…@biddeford.com
http://www.biddeford.com/~vwfreak
’84 Rabbit Wolfsburg
’87 16v GTi
"Dust Thy Neighbor."
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
Marc Stress <mvstr…@syr.edu> wrote:
>Not to mention that it’s rather bogus to make these claims/comparisons
>considering why is vr6 is called a vr6. V— two cylider banks that meet
>at a common point, forming a "V" R —- for the radical design of this
>engine that places the cylinder banks at a mere 15 deg angle and has
>slightly staggered pistons to achive that angle, 6— the number of cylinders.
>(sorry– I couldn’t resist pointing out the obvious)
More-or-less correct, except that the "R" is shown in VW literature as
standing for "Reihen", which is German for "row" or "line" or [by inference]
"inline", though "radical" is certainly fitting. I suppose that "V-Reihen"
is intended to connote a hybrid between an inline-6 and a V-6.
Larry
’95 Passat "Virtual Reality 6"
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
Marketing….Marketing….Marketing
Nobody ever accused Neuspeed of missing the mark on marketing.
The VR4 kit is nothing more than a package of parts they’ve been
selling for the past few years plus the addition of a sticker. As
for the VR4 badge, I would assume that VWoA has only copyrighted
"VR6".
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
In article <4otjdb$…@noc1.biddeford.com>, vwfr…@biddeford.com writes:
|> Was just flipping through the new EC, and I noticed something
|> different about the APS (Neuspeed) add. It is now selling a
|> package called "VR-4." This includes chip, cam, filter, and
|> wires for around $550. Does anyone have one of these
|> packages? Is it effective? I was not aware that a 1.8 16v
|> was capable of taking a chip. Will this improve my power
|> in the 1000-4000 rpm range? And why are they calling this
|> thing "VR-4" ? As far as I can tell the engine is still an INLINE 4
|> after getting the package….:)
|>
|> Mike Barker
|> ’87 16v GTi
Your 87 16V doesn’t take a chip. It also takes dual cams versus
a single cam. It also doesn’t take one of those P-flow filter setups.
I don’t know of any way of increasing power on the 1.8L 16V under
4000rpm. The engine doesn’t come alive until about 3500rpm. I can
tell you from experience that mild Schrick 260 cams will hurt the
cars ability to launch from a stop.
People have been raving about the VR6 engine since it came out.
Neuspeed calling their package VR4 is a great marketing strategy.
It naturally makes you think it will give your 4 cylinder "VR"
qualities. It certainly drew my attention when I read EC.
—
Keith Watson
87 VW GTI 16V
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
Keith Watson wrote:
(snip)
> I don’t know of any way of increasing power on the 1.8L 16V under
> 4000rpm. The engine doesn’t come alive until about 3500rpm. I can
> tell you from experience that mild Schrick 260 cams will hurt the
> cars ability to launch from a stop.
(snip)
> Keith Watson
> 87 VW GTI 16V
A performance exhaust should help power all through the band. On
my 87 Golf GT 8v, the biggest power gains were in the 2000-3000 RPM
and 5000-6000 RPM range.
-Scott 87 Golf GT, 148k miles, MAY NOT BE TOTALED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
vwfr…@biddeford.com wrote:
> Mark, if our engines are not capable of being chipped (like I thought) why does
> the package for "1987-92 1.8-2.0 16v Golf II, Jetta II" include a chip? Do you think
> they have found some new thing to do to it (the 1.8)? BTW, this kit has a simple >K&N, not the whole P-Flo thing (as you suspected).
You see, that’s what just doesn’t make any damn sense!
As long as the CIS-e cars have been made, they have not
been chip-able. IF there is some tremendous new discovery
you’d think there would be some more supporting information
than what they have in their ad.
Like someone else in this thread said, once again, Neuspeed
has hit the mark on their Marketing. Dead nuts on.
But if this is just the same bunch of parts that they’ve always
had (which it is) and the only thing they’ve retooled is the packaging,
how can this be respected?
One of us will have to brake down and call Neuspeed on this
and ask them what _exactly_ is in the VR4 (ooh, I hate to say
that) package, and ask them about the chip for the CIS-e cars.
regards
Marc Stress
g16v GTi VR4.3
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
What’s so mysterious about all of this? It’s the same ol’ Neuspeed parts
everybody’s already bought with a VR4 sticker. Also, this "controversy"
over whether the cis-e cars is just ridiculous. The ad was in current
issue of European car, not in Neuspeeds catalog. If and when, it’s in
their catalog (they don’t seem to update it everytime a new part comes
out) I’m sure the kit for non-chipable cars will be cheaper and not
include the chip. duh! If anyone’s paid attention to the Neuspeeds ad in
EC over the years you’ve noticed that they don’t put the fine details in
that version of the catalog.
As far as "VR4" goes I think it’s a good play on words. Yes, we all no V
stands for V as in V-6 so let’s not split hairs. I also would doubt VW
would have a problem with Neuspeed using the VR label. In their current
newsletter the even featured a Neuspeed sponsered TDI car that competed in
One Lap Across America.
Anthony
In article <31BBF7D7.4…@syr.edu>, mvstr…@syr.edu wrote:
*But if this is just the same bunch of parts that they’ve always
*had (which it is) and the only thing they’ve retooled is the packaging,
*how can this be respected?
*
*One of us will have to brake down and call Neuspeed on this
*and ask them what _exactly_ is in the VR4 (ooh, I hate to say
*that) package, and ask them about the chip for the CIS-e cars.
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
In a previous article, Marc Stress (mvstr…@syr.edu) said:
> You see, that’s what just doesn’t make any damn sense!
> As long as the CIS-e cars have been made, they have not
> been chip-able. IF there is some tremendous new discovery
> you’d think there would be some more supporting information
> than what they have in their ad.
Just to add my two cents, the 1987-89 16V does have one option for
electronic performance enhancement – Superchips. They somehow modify the
"-E" in "CIS-E" to give a boost in performance. Since it has no fine
control over the fuel input, you cannot expect the full benefits that a
chip brings to the newer vehicles.
Maybe the chip in the VR4 kit is used to hold up the air meter arm?
-Arthur
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
In article <4pa8oi$…@hpmos.wv.mentorg.com>,
Keith Watson <kwat…@wv.mentorg.com> wrote:
>Your 87 16V doesn’t take a chip. It also takes dual cams versus
>a single cam. It also doesn’t take one of those P-flow filter setups.
>I don’t know of any way of increasing power on the 1.8L 16V under
>4000rpm. The engine doesn’t come alive until about 3500rpm. I can
>tell you from experience that mild Schrick 260 cams will hurt the
>cars ability to launch from a stop.
Nitrous? Superchargers? Both of these can give you a nice power increase in
the low RPMs.
>People have been raving about the VR6 engine since it came out.
>Neuspeed calling their package VR4 is a great marketing strategy.
>It naturally makes you think it will give your 4 cylinder "VR"
>qualities. It certainly drew my attention when I read EC.
It made me think that it would make my VW into a 300hp twin turbo all
wheel drive V6 like the 3000GT VR-4. I wouldn’t mind as long as it didn’t
make my car as heavy as the real VR-4.
Brad
—
Brad Sheridan
gt74…@prism.gatech.edu
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
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Marc Stress wrote:
> vwfr…@biddeford.com wrote:
> > Mark, if our engines are not capable of being chipped (like I thought) why does
> > the package for "1987-92 1.8-2.0 16v Golf II, Jetta II" include a chip? Do you think
> > they have found some new thing to do to it (the 1.8)? BTW, this kit has a simple >K&N, not the whole P-Flo thing (as you suspected).
> You see, that’s what just doesn’t make any damn sense!
> As long as the CIS-e cars have been made, they have not
> been chip-able. IF there is some tremendous new discovery
> you’d think there would be some more supporting information
> than what they have in their ad.
> Like someone else in this thread said, once again, Neuspeed
> has hit the mark on their Marketing. Dead nuts on.
> But if this is just the same bunch of parts that they’ve always
> had (which it is) and the only thing they’ve retooled is the packaging,
> how can this be respected?
> One of us will have to brake down and call Neuspeed on this
> and ask them what _exactly_ is in the VR4 (ooh, I hate to say
> that) package, and ask them about the chip for the CIS-e cars.
> regards
> Marc Stress
> g16v GTi VR4.3To me, VR4 is just another way for neuspeed to make some money. Nothing
is new except a name.
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
Marc Stress <mvstr…@syr.edu> wrote:
>vwfr…@biddeford.com wrote:
>> Mark, if our engines are not capable of being chipped (like I thought) why does
>> the package for "1987-92 1.8-2.0 16v Golf II, Jetta II" include a chip? Do you think
>> they have found some new thing to do to it (the 1.8)? BTW, this kit has a simple >K&N, not the whole P-Flo thing (as you suspected).
>You see, that’s what just doesn’t make any damn sense!
>As long as the CIS-e cars have been made, they have not
>been chip-able. IF there is some tremendous new discovery
>you’d think there would be some more supporting information
>than what they have in their ad.
I have heard that someone makes a replacement for the CIS-E OXS box
(and/or antiknock box?) that acts much like a chip might…
it seems to be that some enterprising engineering sorts could probably
build a combo box that replaced both of the OEM analog boxes with a
single integrated digital controller, similar to the digifant box, and
offer a range of performance curves… more aggressive advance,
richer fuel mixtures under hi acceleration, lots of things are
possible here. Combined with a cam, headers, etc this could boost
CIS_E 16V performance by quite a bit, especially if the box had curves
to match the other enhancements…
-jrp
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 3:46 pm