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Marc Stress wrote:

> vwfr…@biddeford.com wrote:

> > Mark, if our engines are not capable of being chipped (like I thought)  why does
> > the package for "1987-92 1.8-2.0 16v Golf II, Jetta II" include a chip?  Do you think
> > they have found some new thing to do to it (the 1.8)? BTW, this kit has a simple >K&N, not the whole P-Flo thing (as you suspected).

> You see, that’s what just doesn’t make any damn sense!
> As long as the CIS-e cars have been made, they have not
> been chip-able. IF there is some tremendous new discovery
> you’d think there would be some more supporting information
> than what they have in their ad.

> Like someone else in this thread said, once again, Neuspeed
> has hit the mark on their Marketing. Dead nuts on.

> But if this is just the same bunch of parts that they’ve always
> had (which it is) and the only thing they’ve retooled is the packaging,
> how can this be respected?

> One of us will have to brake down and call Neuspeed on this
> and ask them what _exactly_ is in the VR4 (ooh, I hate to say
> that) package, and ask them about the chip for the CIS-e cars.

> regards

> Marc Stress
> g16v GTi VR4.3To me, VR4 is just another way for neuspeed to make some money.  Nothing

is new except a name.

>> Mark, if our engines are not capable of being chipped (like I thought)  why does
>> the package for "1987-92 1.8-2.0 16v Golf II, Jetta II" include a chip?  Do you think
>> they have found some new thing to do to it (the 1.8)? BTW, this kit has a simple >K&N, not the whole P-Flo thing (as you suspected).

>You see, that’s what just doesn’t make any damn sense!
>As long as the CIS-e cars have been made, they have not
>been chip-able. IF there is some tremendous new discovery
>you’d think there would be some more supporting information
>than what they have in their ad.

I have heard that someone makes a replacement for the CIS-E OXS box
(and/or antiknock box?) that acts much like a chip might…

it seems to be that some enterprising engineering sorts could probably
build a combo box that replaced both of the OEM analog boxes with a
single integrated digital controller, similar to the digifant box, and
offer a range of performance curves…  more aggressive advance,
richer fuel mixtures under hi acceleration, lots of things are
possible here.  Combined with a cam, headers, etc this could boost
CIS_E 16V performance by quite a bit, especially if the box had curves
to match the other enhancements…

-jrp

> You see, that’s what just doesn’t make any damn sense!
> As long as the CIS-e cars have been made, they have not
> been chip-able. IF there is some tremendous new discovery
> you’d think there would be some more supporting information
> than what they have in their ad.

Just to add my two cents, the 1987-89 16V does have one option for
electronic performance enhancement – Superchips.  They somehow modify the
"-E" in "CIS-E" to give a boost in performance.  Since it has no fine
control over the fuel input, you cannot expect the full benefits that a
chip brings to the newer vehicles.

Maybe the chip in the VR4 kit is used to hold up the air meter arm?

-Arthur

Keith Watson <kwat…@wv.mentorg.com> wrote:
>Your 87 16V doesn’t take a chip.  It also takes dual cams versus
>a single cam.  It also doesn’t take one of those P-flow filter setups.
>I don’t know of any way of increasing power on the 1.8L 16V under
>4000rpm.  The engine doesn’t come alive until about 3500rpm.  I can
>tell you from experience that mild Schrick 260 cams will hurt the
>cars ability to launch from a stop.

 Nitrous? Superchargers? Both of these can give you a nice power increase in
the low RPMs.

>People have been raving about the VR6 engine since it came out.
>Neuspeed calling their package VR4 is a great marketing strategy.
>It naturally makes you think it will give your 4 cylinder "VR"
>qualities.  It certainly drew my attention when I read EC.

  It made me think that it would make my VW into a 300hp twin turbo all
wheel drive V6 like the 3000GT VR-4. I wouldn’t mind as long as it didn’t
make my car as heavy as the real VR-4.

Brad
—
Brad Sheridan          
gt74…@prism.gatech.edu

As far as "VR4" goes I think it’s a good play on words.  Yes, we all no V
stands for V as in V-6 so let’s not split hairs.  I also would doubt VW
would have a problem with Neuspeed using the VR label.  In their current
newsletter the even featured a Neuspeed sponsered TDI car that competed in
One Lap Across America.

Anthony

In article <31BBF7D7.4…@syr.edu>, mvstr…@syr.edu wrote:

*But if this is just the same bunch of parts that they’ve always
*had (which it is) and the only thing they’ve retooled is the packaging,
*how can this be respected?
*
*One of us will have to brake down and call Neuspeed on this
*and ask them what _exactly_ is in the VR4 (ooh, I hate to say
*that) package, and ask them about the chip for the CIS-e cars.

Keith Watson wrote:

(snip)
> I don’t know of any way of increasing power on the 1.8L 16V under
> 4000rpm.  The engine doesn’t come alive until about 3500rpm.  I can
> tell you from experience that mild Schrick 260 cams will hurt the
> cars ability to launch from a stop.
(snip)
> Keith Watson
> 87 VW GTI 16V

  A performance exhaust should help power all through the band.  On
my 87 Golf GT 8v, the biggest power gains were in the 2000-3000 RPM
and 5000-6000 RPM range.
  -Scott  87 Golf GT, 148k miles, MAY NOT BE TOTALED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Mark, if our engines are not capable of being chipped (like I thought)  why does
> the package for "1987-92 1.8-2.0 16v Golf II, Jetta II" include a chip?  Do you think
> they have found some new thing to do to it (the 1.8)? BTW, this kit has a simple >K&N, not the whole P-Flo thing (as you suspected).

You see, that’s what just doesn’t make any damn sense!
As long as the CIS-e cars have been made, they have not
been chip-able. IF there is some tremendous new discovery
you’d think there would be some more supporting information
than what they have in their ad.

Like someone else in this thread said, once again, Neuspeed
has hit the mark on their Marketing. Dead nuts on.

But if this is just the same bunch of parts that they’ve always
had (which it is) and the only thing they’ve retooled is the packaging,
how can this be respected?

One of us will have to brake down and call Neuspeed on this
and ask them what _exactly_ is in the VR4 (ooh, I hate to say
that) package, and ask them about the chip for the CIS-e cars.

regards

Marc Stress
g16v GTi VR4.3

Nobody ever accused Neuspeed of missing the mark on marketing.  
The VR4 kit is nothing more than a package of parts they’ve been
selling for the past few years plus the addition of a sticker.  As
for the VR4 badge, I would assume that VWoA has only copyrighted
"VR6".

|> Was just flipping through the new EC, and I noticed something
|> different about the APS (Neuspeed) add.  It is now selling a
|> package called "VR-4."  This includes chip, cam, filter, and
|> wires for around $550.  Does anyone have one of these
|> packages?  Is it effective?  I was not aware that a 1.8 16v
|> was capable of taking a chip.  Will this improve my power
|> in the 1000-4000 rpm range?  And why are they calling this
|> thing "VR-4" ?  As far as I can tell the engine is still an INLINE 4
|> after getting the package….:)
|>
|> Mike Barker
|> ’87 16v GTi

Your 87 16V doesn’t take a chip.  It also takes dual cams versus
a single cam.  It also doesn’t take one of those P-flow filter setups.
I don’t know of any way of increasing power on the 1.8L 16V under
4000rpm.  The engine doesn’t come alive until about 3500rpm.  I can
tell you from experience that mild Schrick 260 cams will hurt the
cars ability to launch from a stop.

People have been raving about the VR6 engine since it came out.
Neuspeed calling their package VR4 is a great marketing strategy.
It naturally makes you think it will give your 4 cylinder "VR"
qualities.  It certainly drew my attention when I read EC.
—
Keith Watson
87 VW GTI 16V

More-or-less correct, except that the "R" is shown in VW literature as
standing for "Reihen", which is German for "row" or "line" or [by inference]
"inline", though "radical" is certainly fitting.  I suppose that "V-Reihen"
is intended to connote a hybrid between an inline-6 and a V-6.

Larry
’95 Passat "Virtual Reality 6"