Comments on: Differences between Sciroccos http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:54:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: admin http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos/comment-page-1#comment-2271 admin Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:24:31 +0000 http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos#comment-2271 Jonah, <br />    First of all, I just want to tell you that my baby (an '86 GTI) sits on <br /> the streets of Philadelphia pretty much all of the time.  It's silver, and <br /> I've never considered the color to be a problem.  If theft is an issue, <br /> let me give a few suggestions: <br />    First, I installed an alarm with starter kill.  did it myself, only <br /> cost me about $150 and two days labor to get it all right. <br />    Second, got my self a nice craftsman 1/2" driver and proper socket to <br /> remove the steering wheel when it's parked. <br />    Also got myself a set of armor door plates.  keeps the screwdriver out <br /> of my door handles.   <br />    And of course, detachable face Sony Cd player. <br /> Of course, we all know that in the city, you're never really safe, but I <br /> think all of these things help. <br /> Next of all, have you considered an '86?  They are pretty plentiful, and <br /> the '87's are mostly 16v's - an insurance detriment.  the 86's have all of <br /> the improvements you spoke of, and personally, mine's got plenty of get up <br /> and go.  I'm somewhat of a performance freak, so I've tuned it, but it was <br /> plenty good to start.  As far as miles, on a well maintained car, not too <br /> much of an issue.  My friend's got an '87 Scirocco 16v with all but 200k <br /> miles on it with no problems.  Sorry you don't like red, it is a popular <br /> color for these cars, but I see a lot of silver 86's, and several blue <br /> 87's.  If the 85 you're talking about is the one I've seen in the Veedub <br /> classifieds I'd say it looks like a good one.  The lack of A/C could be a <br /> problem though.  Personally, I know I use the hell out of mine here in <br /> PA.  Cracked dash is a pain, but you said yourself looks weren't too <br /> important to you.  They way you talk sounds like you might as well just <br /> keep looking.  there are plenty of good cars out there, just waiting for <br /> new owners. <br /> <p>Dan <br /> </p><p>b.t.w. - before Philly, my car was in Baltimore.....   <br /> </p><p>In article <4g8h3f$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jonahg...@aol.com <br /> </p><p></p><p>- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -</p>(JonahGold) wrote: <br /> > hi all, <br /> <p>> (quik thanks to any and all who contribute to this list -- a valuable <br /> > resource indeed.) <br /> </p><p>> I'm having a tough time letting go of a cream puff I saw last week, and <br /> > need <br /> > some outside opinions (all welcome, including the "What?!...you're nuts!" <br /> > variety). <br /> </p><p>> Having lurked for past month here, I've slowly but surely decided to hold <br /> > out for a good lo-mile '87 GTi. Need relatively soon (few weeks or month <br /> > or 2), but want it to be the "right one".  I'm no performance nut, and the <br /> > car will be parked on nyc streets, so the less cosmetically clean the <br /> > better. Runs great / looks shittier works for me. Ideal would be an orig. <br /> > owner, under 100k mi., well maintained and not too much "raceware" on <br /> > board... black or white in color. <br /> </p><p>> Here's what I found/am debating: <br /> </p><p>> a stock '85 in MINT condition w/76k mi. for $2,5.... <br /> > ...w/ pristine original MARS RED paint job -- my biggest problem. <br /> > Superficial I know, but realistically, I won't own/drive a red car. <br /> </p><p>> Some plusses: <br /> > - no body damage <br /> > - loooooow miles (76k) <br /> > - power steering <br /> > - oil cooler (option at purchase) <br /> > - pretty good (15k mi) Eagle GT-2 tires <br /> > - new Meineke muffler (maybe not a +, but.... old one rusted out when <br /> > sitting <br /> >   in garage  unused for 2 yrs. or so) <br /> > - sunroof wind shield/draft guard <br /> > - new timing belts, O2 sensor, wires (blue ones... not so great?) <br /> > - primarily dealer serviced over the years. <br /> > - all paperwork. <br /> > - nice new Sanyo (yes, but it sounded great) stereo/cd, w/ 4 nice speaks. <br /> </p><p>> Here's the minuses: <br /> > - no AC (never had) <br /> > - recaro(?) seats don't adjust "up/down" angle like newer 86+ (?) <br /> > - slight crack in dash w/ stereo install. (we're talking SLIGHT). <br /> > - stiff door handles (he replaced very recently, to repair lock problem?) <br /> > - (and...........of course, it's REEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!)   :( <br /> </p><p>> Edmunds puts a car of this year/mileage at about $1600 wholesale. <br /> > Maybe $2600ish retail?... I figure to the right enthusiast, it's probably <br /> > worth $3k or more. (I'd start asking at $4, myself). So: how can i <br /> > justify: <br /> >    1. "devaluing" such a mint car by repainting a perfect orig. <br /> >         job, & leaving on streets of nyc, for more obvious temptation, <br /> >     2. overvaluing a great deal by spending another ($1-2k?) for a decent <br /> >          repaint [ which may/may not get to interior areas, ie under <br /> > hood?], <br /> >     3. Interior colors/seats still aren't great (grey/ grey/red striped <br /> > seats... and <br /> >          roof/panels not "felty" like the '87's I saw, but "vinyly" and <br /> > "plasticy" feel. <br /> >     4. It's NOT an '87... w/ less "1st yr. recall/problems"? and extra <br /> >          engine ummph. (felt strong to me -- and have read the FAQ about <br /> > wire <br /> >          snips for enhanced performance). <br /> </p><p>> what do you think? 85 vs 87, and hassles/$$ of repaint worth it? <br /> > any opinions appreciated... or better yet, someone sell their black '87 to <br /> > me NOW, and I'll set them up with the 85 in trade... :) <br /> </p><p>> --jonah <br /> </p><p>> (thanks to those I've already asked) <br /> <br />-- <br /> ***Views Expressed Here are Mine Alone*** <br /> Daniel J. Eline <br /> st947...@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu <br /> College of Information Systems and Technologies <br /> Drexel University <br /> Philadelphia, PA <br /> "Live life with intensity." <br /> </p> Jonah,
   First of all, I just want to tell you that my baby (an ’86 GTI) sits on
the streets of Philadelphia pretty much all of the time.  It’s silver, and
I’ve never considered the color to be a problem.  If theft is an issue,
let me give a few suggestions:
   First, I installed an alarm with starter kill.  did it myself, only
cost me about $150 and two days labor to get it all right.
   Second, got my self a nice craftsman 1/2" driver and proper socket to
remove the steering wheel when it’s parked.
   Also got myself a set of armor door plates.  keeps the screwdriver out
of my door handles.  
   And of course, detachable face Sony Cd player.
Of course, we all know that in the city, you’re never really safe, but I
think all of these things help.
Next of all, have you considered an ’86?  They are pretty plentiful, and
the ’87′s are mostly 16v’s – an insurance detriment.  the 86′s have all of
the improvements you spoke of, and personally, mine’s got plenty of get up
and go.  I’m somewhat of a performance freak, so I’ve tuned it, but it was
plenty good to start.  As far as miles, on a well maintained car, not too
much of an issue.  My friend’s got an ’87 Scirocco 16v with all but 200k
miles on it with no problems.  Sorry you don’t like red, it is a popular
color for these cars, but I see a lot of silver 86′s, and several blue
87′s.  If the 85 you’re talking about is the one I’ve seen in the Veedub
classifieds I’d say it looks like a good one.  The lack of A/C could be a
problem though.  Personally, I know I use the hell out of mine here in
PA.  Cracked dash is a pain, but you said yourself looks weren’t too
important to you.  They way you talk sounds like you might as well just
keep looking.  there are plenty of good cars out there, just waiting for
new owners.

Dan

b.t.w. – before Philly, my car was in Baltimore…..  

In article <4g8h3f$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jonahg…@aol.com

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(JonahGold) wrote:
> hi all,

> (quik thanks to any and all who contribute to this list — a valuable
> resource indeed.)

> I’m having a tough time letting go of a cream puff I saw last week, and
> need
> some outside opinions (all welcome, including the "What?!…you’re nuts!"
> variety).

> Having lurked for past month here, I’ve slowly but surely decided to hold
> out for a good lo-mile ’87 GTi. Need relatively soon (few weeks or month
> or 2), but want it to be the "right one".  I’m no performance nut, and the
> car will be parked on nyc streets, so the less cosmetically clean the
> better. Runs great / looks shittier works for me. Ideal would be an orig.
> owner, under 100k mi., well maintained and not too much "raceware" on
> board… black or white in color.

> Here’s what I found/am debating:

> a stock ’85 in MINT condition w/76k mi. for $2,5….
> …w/ pristine original MARS RED paint job — my biggest problem.
> Superficial I know, but realistically, I won’t own/drive a red car.

> Some plusses:
> – no body damage
> – loooooow miles (76k)
> – power steering
> – oil cooler (option at purchase)
> – pretty good (15k mi) Eagle GT-2 tires
> – new Meineke muffler (maybe not a +, but…. old one rusted out when
> sitting
>   in garage  unused for 2 yrs. or so)
> – sunroof wind shield/draft guard
> – new timing belts, O2 sensor, wires (blue ones… not so great?)
> – primarily dealer serviced over the years.
> – all paperwork.
> – nice new Sanyo (yes, but it sounded great) stereo/cd, w/ 4 nice speaks.

> Here’s the minuses:
> – no AC (never had)
> – recaro(?) seats don’t adjust "up/down" angle like newer 86+ (?)
> – slight crack in dash w/ stereo install. (we’re talking SLIGHT).
> – stiff door handles (he replaced very recently, to repair lock problem?)
> – (and………..of course, it’s REEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!)   :(

> Edmunds puts a car of this year/mileage at about $1600 wholesale.
> Maybe $2600ish retail?… I figure to the right enthusiast, it’s probably
> worth $3k or more. (I’d start asking at $4, myself). So: how can i
> justify:
>    1. "devaluing" such a mint car by repainting a perfect orig.
>         job, & leaving on streets of nyc, for more obvious temptation,
>     2. overvaluing a great deal by spending another ($1-2k?) for a decent
>          repaint [ which may/may not get to interior areas, ie under
> hood?],
>     3. Interior colors/seats still aren’t great (grey/ grey/red striped
> seats… and
>          roof/panels not "felty" like the ’87′s I saw, but "vinyly" and
> "plasticy" feel.
>     4. It’s NOT an ’87… w/ less "1st yr. recall/problems"? and extra
>          engine ummph. (felt strong to me — and have read the FAQ about
> wire
>          snips for enhanced performance).

> what do you think? 85 vs 87, and hassles/$$ of repaint worth it?
> any opinions appreciated… or better yet, someone sell their black ’87 to
> me NOW, and I’ll set them up with the 85 in trade… :)

> –jonah

> (thanks to those I’ve already asked)

–
***Views Expressed Here are Mine Alone***
Daniel J. Eline
st947…@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu
College of Information Systems and Technologies
Drexel University
Philadelphia, PA
"Live life with intensity."

]]> By: admin http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos/comment-page-1#comment-2270 admin Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:24:19 +0000 http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos#comment-2270 Except for the '82, which may have had the 1.7, all '82 and up 8V <br /> Sciroccos have the JH engine. Beautiful thing, while the A2 golf and jetta <br /> bodied cars were being built in Mexico the Sciroccos were being built in <br /> Germany. All Sciroccos were built in Germany. No bad years for the JH <br /> engine. Always solid lifter. '82 car still had the single wiper blade like <br /> the A1 body 'rocco. 2 blades in '83. Sciroccos always had the same <br /> suspension set-up (swaybars added later) from '75 to '88 16V's! <br /> <p>                                                        -Mark Talbot <br />                                                          '79 Scirocco <br /> everything modified <br /> </p> Except for the ’82, which may have had the 1.7, all ’82 and up 8V
Sciroccos have the JH engine. Beautiful thing, while the A2 golf and jetta
bodied cars were being built in Mexico the Sciroccos were being built in
Germany. All Sciroccos were built in Germany. No bad years for the JH
engine. Always solid lifter. ’82 car still had the single wiper blade like
the A1 body ‘rocco. 2 blades in ’83. Sciroccos always had the same
suspension set-up (swaybars added later) from ’75 to ’88 16V’s!

                                                        -Mark Talbot
                                                         ’79 Scirocco
everything modified

]]> By: admin http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos/comment-page-1#comment-2268 admin Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:24:18 +0000 http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos#comment-2268 Matt, <br />   some of the differnces for the scirrocos were the 16v motors became <br /> available in the 86 and up cars, I'm not sure what year they switched <br /> from the 1.6 to the 1.8, and in the 1984's the AC compressor and the <br /> generator are switched in their lay out in the engine compartment. <br />   The wheels changed style a little bit over the years but were always <br /> 13's until the 16v's. <br />  The 85 1/2 and newer cars came with the larger wing and the 16 v and <br /> some of the 8 v had the black out striped tailights. <br />   The 83 scirocco's had the word Scirocco in script underneathe the tail <br /> on the inside of the rear window. <br />   these are jus some of the differences bewteen some of the years.  I <br /> have  a 1985 1/2 Wolfsburg edition Scirocco that was featured in EC, VWT, <br /> and SCC about 2 1/2 years ago and still enjoy driving it as much as I can. <br /> <p>     Ken <br /> </p> Matt,
  some of the differnces for the scirrocos were the 16v motors became
available in the 86 and up cars, I’m not sure what year they switched
from the 1.6 to the 1.8, and in the 1984′s the AC compressor and the
generator are switched in their lay out in the engine compartment.
  The wheels changed style a little bit over the years but were always
13′s until the 16v’s.
 The 85 1/2 and newer cars came with the larger wing and the 16 v and
some of the 8 v had the black out striped tailights.
  The 83 scirocco’s had the word Scirocco in script underneathe the tail
on the inside of the rear window.
  these are jus some of the differences bewteen some of the years.  I
have  a 1985 1/2 Wolfsburg edition Scirocco that was featured in EC, VWT,
and SCC about 2 1/2 years ago and still enjoy driving it as much as I can.

     Ken

]]> By: admin http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos/comment-page-1#comment-2269 admin Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:24:18 +0000 http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos#comment-2269 In article <4gbpv8$1...@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, <br /> Kenneth Weidmann jr <QJXU...@prodigy.com> wrote: <br /> <p>>Matt, <br /> >  some of the differnces for the scirrocos were the 16v motors became <br /> >available in the 86 and up cars, I'm not sure what year they switched <br /> >from the 1.6 to the 1.8, and in the 1984's the AC compressor and the <br /> >generator are switched in their lay out in the engine compartment. <br /> <br /> The 85 and up 8V had 94hp, while the older ones had 90. <br /> </p><p>> The 85 1/2 and newer cars came with the larger wing and the 16 v and <br /> >some of the 8 v had the black out striped tailights. <br /> >  The 83 scirocco's had the word Scirocco in script underneathe the tail <br /> >on the inside of the rear window. <br /> <br /> My 85 had that as well. <br /> </p><p>>  these are jus some of the differences bewteen some of the years.  I <br /> >have  a 1985 1/2 Wolfsburg edition Scirocco that was featured in EC, VWT, <br /> >and SCC about 2 1/2 years ago and still enjoy driving it as much as I can. <br /> <br />The big differences are between the 8V and 16V. The 16V has lots of extras: <br /> 10.1" front disks vs 9" on 8V, rear disks vs drum on 8V, GTI springs(20?mm <br /> lower than regular), ground effects, roof antenna, 16V engine, CIS-E <br /> injection, knock sens ignition, 14" wheels, factory lower stress bar, <br /> leather, different speedometer, and some other stuff I can't think of right <br /> now. <br /> </p><p> If you're looking to get one, the 16V is the one most likely to be found in <br /> good shape with relatively low miles, as it it somewhat newer. Plus, since <br /> most prices are around $3000 for the later ones, by getting a 16v, you're <br /> getting alot of extra goodies for free. <br /> </p><p>Brad <br /> -- <br /> Brad Sheridan           <br /> gt74...@prism.gatech.edu <br /> </p> In article <4gbpv8$1…@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>,
Kenneth Weidmann jr <QJXU…@prodigy.com> wrote:

>Matt,
>  some of the differnces for the scirrocos were the 16v motors became
>available in the 86 and up cars, I’m not sure what year they switched
>from the 1.6 to the 1.8, and in the 1984′s the AC compressor and the
>generator are switched in their lay out in the engine compartment.

 The 85 and up 8V had 94hp, while the older ones had 90.

> The 85 1/2 and newer cars came with the larger wing and the 16 v and
>some of the 8 v had the black out striped tailights.
>  The 83 scirocco’s had the word Scirocco in script underneathe the tail
>on the inside of the rear window.

 My 85 had that as well.

>  these are jus some of the differences bewteen some of the years.  I
>have  a 1985 1/2 Wolfsburg edition Scirocco that was featured in EC, VWT,
>and SCC about 2 1/2 years ago and still enjoy driving it as much as I can.

The big differences are between the 8V and 16V. The 16V has lots of extras:
10.1" front disks vs 9" on 8V, rear disks vs drum on 8V, GTI springs(20?mm
lower than regular), ground effects, roof antenna, 16V engine, CIS-E
injection, knock sens ignition, 14" wheels, factory lower stress bar,
leather, different speedometer, and some other stuff I can’t think of right
now.

 If you’re looking to get one, the 16V is the one most likely to be found in
good shape with relatively low miles, as it it somewhat newer. Plus, since
most prices are around $3000 for the later ones, by getting a 16v, you’re
getting alot of extra goodies for free.

Brad
—
Brad Sheridan          
gt74…@prism.gatech.edu

]]> By: admin http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos/comment-page-1#comment-2267 admin Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:24:17 +0000 http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos#comment-2267 In article <3127E359.5...@u.washington.edu>, Matt Corddry <br /> <p><w...@u.washington.edu> writes: <br /> </p><p>>Hi: <br /> >I'm looking at getting a Scirocco II (82-88), and was wondering what the <br /> >differences were w/ engine, etc. and if there are any models to look out <br /> >for (I've heard bad things about the 85). Which years had the JH 1.8l, <br /> >and which had the old 78hp 1.6? <br /> <br />'83 through '87 8v models had the JH motor. <br /> </p> In article <3127E359.5…@u.washington.edu>, Matt Corddry

<w…@u.washington.edu> writes:

>Hi:
>I’m looking at getting a Scirocco II (82-88), and was wondering what the
>differences were w/ engine, etc. and if there are any models to look out
>for (I’ve heard bad things about the 85). Which years had the JH 1.8l,
>and which had the old 78hp 1.6?

’83 through ’87 8v models had the JH motor.

]]> By: admin http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos/comment-page-1#comment-2266 admin Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:24:16 +0000 http://www.vw-autoclub.com/differences-between-sciroccos#comment-2266 <p>In article <3127E359.5...@u.washington.edu> Matt Corddry <w...@u.washington.edu> writes: <br /> >From: Matt Corddry <w...@u.washington.edu> <br /> >Subject: Differences between Sciroccos <br /> >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:41:29 -0800 <br /> >Hi: <br /> >I'm looking at getting a Scirocco II (82-88), and was wondering what the <br /> >differences were w/ engine, etc. and if there are any models to look out <br /> >for (I've heard bad things about the 85). Which years had the JH 1.8l, <br /> >and which had the old 78hp 1.6? <br /> >thanks * 1e6 <br /> >(thanks a million) <br /> >matt <br /> <br />I have an '84.  It has been reliable.  For a performance boost see the <br /> Techtonics Tuning literature.  The 84 has one of the more restrivtive <br /> downpipes.   <br /> </p><p>Chris <br /> </p> In article <3127E359.5…@u.washington.edu> Matt Corddry <w…@u.washington.edu> writes:
>From: Matt Corddry <w…@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Differences between Sciroccos
>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:41:29 -0800
>Hi:
>I’m looking at getting a Scirocco II (82-88), and was wondering what the
>differences were w/ engine, etc. and if there are any models to look out
>for (I’ve heard bad things about the 85). Which years had the JH 1.8l,
>and which had the old 78hp 1.6?
>thanks * 1e6
>(thanks a million)
>matt

I have an ’84.  It has been reliable.  For a performance boost see the
Techtonics Tuning literature.  The 84 has one of the more restrivtive
downpipes.  

Chris

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