My friend (Honda owner) was watching me online the other
day and was amazed that almost every message in this
group was about a problem! He joked that if there was
a Honda newsgroup, there might not be anyone writing in
it!
What’s up guys! I want to read a little about your cars,
not just their PROBLEMS! I’ll start…
Darren
nailh…@wolfenet.com (Darren Seeman) wrote:
>My friend (Honda owner) was watching me online the other
>day and was amazed that almost every message in this
>group was about a problem! He joked that if there was
>a Honda newsgroup, there might not be anyone writing in
>it!
>What’s up guys! I want to read a little about your cars,
>not just their PROBLEMS! I’ll start…
>Darren
Darren,
Every year I enter the Mount Washington Bicycle Hillclimb in New
Hampshire. 12% grade for 8 miles with the final 200 feet a 22% grade!
Every year they have a little notice that if you own a Honda, Acura or
Sterling with an automatic tranny and it doesn’t have the #1 on the
indicator you can not drive your car up the highway as it is "unsafe"!
No mention of any other vehicle except for length or width. Tell your
friend that one so he can see how great a car he owns.
Bob Reardon
ca…@capital.net
Darren Seeman (nailh…@wolfenet.com) wrote:
: My friend (Honda owner) was watching me online the other
: day and was amazed that almost every message in this
: group was about a problem! He joked that if there was
: a Honda newsgroup, there might not be anyone writing in
: it!
: What’s up guys! I want to read a little about your cars,
: not just their PROBLEMS! I’ll start…
There is a Honda newsgroup. And they do discuss problems. This VW
newsgroup has discussed a lot more things than problems.
Ryan
: Darren
In article <4mrtil$…@ratty.wolfe.net>, nailh…@wolfenet.com (Darren Seeman) writes:
|>
|>
|>
|> My friend (Honda owner) was watching me online the other
|> day and was amazed that almost every message in this
|> group was about a problem! He joked that if there was
|> a Honda newsgroup, there might not be anyone writing in
|> it!
There is a Honda newsgroup and they get quite a bit of traffic.
They have just as many problems posted as we do.
–Jim
|>
|> Darren
Honda… Honda… hmmmm…. oh, yeah – they make lawnmowers, right?
Some pretty nice motorcycles too.
But cars? No thanks. They used to make a nice car… it was called the
CRX Si. Their answer to the GTI. Of course the GTI did outlast it. Oh
yeah, they made a Civic Hatchback Si too. But gave up when no one was
buying them…
This newsgroup talks about a lot of things besides problems. And by the
way, many of the "problems" are people upgrading their 10-15 year old
cars with high performance engines, etc.
Tell your friend to read the group a bit. If he really likes cars more
than lawnmowers, who knows, maybe he’ll be out looking for a nice, used
GTI to work on or race or enjoy driving.
Tom Doblmaier
Denis J. Lajoie (dlaj…@magi.com) wrote:
: Some morons even try to upgrade their hondas wich doesn’t do much
: except cost them a lot of money. I wouldn’t even bother racing
: with them if it wasn’t for the fact that they never stop wanting
: to be blown away by my 12 year old GTI. Maybe they’ll grow up
: to buy VW’s ? Since most people do tend to evolve in the their lives.
Since I currently own a Honda (and plan to get a VW), I guess I’ll
step in and defend the honor of Honda… at least until August when
I sell it and get a VW
Just seems that everyone here in the VW newsgroup tends to bash
Honda whenever the opportunity arises. It seems hardly justified
when Honda builds one of the best sports cars (aka Prelude) for
under $25K… about in the same price range as now defunct Corrado.
This claim is justified by positive reports in just about every
car magazine, in every aspect from cornering, acceleration, and
yes, even to reliability (can VW claim that?)
I know for a fact that most of their other cars are boring as hell.
My family has three Hondas, and apart from my sister’s Civic Si, I
could fall asleep while driving my ’88 Accord LXi or my parents’
’92 Civic LX. But not EVERY honda is quite that boring, just remember
they still make the Prelude and the VERY nice NSX.
BUT, if the recent introductions from Honda (ie. RL, TL and Civic)
are any indication, the new ’97 Prelude will suck big time. But
until then, be specific on what you bash, making generalizations
can be pretty dangerous.
S.
nailh…@wolfenet.com (Darren Seeman) wrote:
>My friend (Honda owner) was watching me online the other
>day and was amazed that almost every message in this
>group was about a problem! He joked that if there was
>a Honda newsgroup, there might not be anyone writing in
>it!
>What’s up guys! I want to read a little about your cars,
>not just their PROBLEMS! I’ll start…
>Darren
So what do you want? Everyone to tell everyone else how great their
car works? Wouldn’t you like to be able to solve a car problem
without paying a mechanic? This newsgroup is a valuable resource and
I have helped a few people with their problems and recieved help . If
you want to hear some good stories I have bunch. I’ve even posted a
few messages about them that you obviously missed.
Anyway I have an ’87 16v Scirocco that could kick any Honda’s butt (no
offense). It ROCKS! I have had no trouble with it at all. The only
maintenance on it has been routine so far: tune-up, new belts, motor
mounts and exhaust. I just got it in December and it only had 57K
miles on it. That made me a very happy man since it was such a rare
find. It sure isn’t hard to find a Honda and I guess some people like
that fact. Oh well, I hope you understand that I am just defending
this Newsgroup and not bashing Hondas or anything,
LATA
Josh Clark
"Denis J. Lajoie" <dlaj…@magi.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Sorry guys i’m a little fustrated (i saw 6 civics with mags and
>shit, tonight and i wasn’t able to race with them, bloody traffic!).
Why bother? I ALWAYS beat them. What is real fun is to let them
follow you into the twisties somewhere and watch them crash in your
mirror. I have seen that several times now and fortunetly all they do
is bend up their car. This game is getting old too. So usually I
just let them pass. Except, recently, some clown spun out ahead of
me AFTER he passed me. I think I am just going to start to pull over
and get a Coke. That way if they do crash, I will, probably, not have
to stop for it.
Happy Terrorizing,
Walt…..
In article <4n2ite$…@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, stu…@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
says…
>I know for a fact that most of their other cars are boring as hell.
>My family has three Hondas, and apart from my sister’s Civic Si, I
>could fall asleep while driving my ’88 Accord LXi or my parents’
>’92 Civic LX. But not EVERY honda is quite that boring, just remember
>they still make the Prelude and the VERY nice NSX.
>BUT, if the recent introductions from Honda (ie. RL, TL and Civic)
>are any indication, the new ’97 Prelude will suck big time. But
>until then, be specific on what you bash, making generalizations
>can be pretty dangerous.
>S.
Your right they are boring of course excluding the NSX but then again
that isn’t a typical HONDA in fact it is an Acura. I don’t bash Hondas I
save my bashing for Mustangs and the Punk teens and people who have
teen-age mentality who drive them <G>
I think you would have to agree that Magazine numbers are not everything
A VW just has a feel that can’t be quantitated (spelling sucks) It just
feels better than other cars. Obviously there is something great about
VWs since we are all VW freaks. I think Honda drivers typically just like
reliable transportation and thats enough. The VWofAmerica people have it
right VW Drivers Wanted.
In <4n4tc5$…@news.magi.com> "Denis J. Lajoie" <dlaj…@magi.com>
writes:
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>When driving my VW i tend to be a little irrational, driving on
>instinct and sometimes pure adrenaline, so when i’m not driving i
>know that a Honda isn’t worth the effort, but when i’m in my GTI
>and one slips besides me with tinted windows a booming comming from
>its radio and a toy hooked on his rear view mirror and aftermarket
>mags and sometimes they even have neons beneath or on the liscence
>plate. Then there is no room left for rational thought, i just floor
>it, sometimes they get it at the first light, and sometimes not.
>Their are other cars that fit in this categorie not for the car
>itself (well…, not all the time), but for the typical mentality
>needed to want to own one of those cars, like the mustang, or
>lately i have been plagued by new escort gt’s with the same symtoms
>as the honda owners, there are many. Me and my co-fanatics are now
>very well known on our driving routes, and hope to have influinced
>many to German autos, next to rebuilding my GTI, getting more
>poeple to love German cars and actually drive one
>(some actually feel that they are out of their own reach,
>finantially and practicaly), is my second goal.
>Do you guys know about someone so bent on his car (or make)
>that he had it tatooed on his arm ? Well now you do.
>Jack Rabbit GTI
I was thinking of getting a tatoo of VW on my arm, but my girl said
if I’m going to get a tatoo of a name it better be hers.
I’m trading her in soon…anyone…
MTCK
87′ Scirocco 16v
"Denis J. Lajoie" <dlaj…@magi.com> wrote:
>When driving my VW i tend to be a little irrational, driving on
>instinct and sometimes pure adrenaline, so when i’m not driving i
>know that a Honda isn’t worth the effort, but when i’m in my GTI
>and one slips besides me with tinted windows a booming comming from
>its radio and a toy hooked on his rear view mirror and aftermarket
>mags and sometimes they even have neons beneath or on the liscence
>plate. Then there is no room left for rational thought, i just floor
>it, sometimes they get it at the first light, and sometimes not.
I am a former GTI owner, and I loved it. I had to get rid of it
because the previous owner thrashed the hell out of it.
But now I have a black 78 Scirocco that I have slammed. heh heh.
I dropped a GTI 1.8L with big valve head (all port ‘n polished along
with the intake and header matched) Nuespeed throttle body, NS cam,
tri-Y header with full Ansa (the best all around) racing exhuast, NS
front and rear sway bars, NS front upper and lower and rear upper tie
support bars, 15in TSW Stealths, tasteful Zender body kit, air dam
with PIAA halogens, and ground effects (also tastefull, not too
cocky). And Recaro interior.
There is nothing that brings a smile to my face quicker than when I am
innocently sitting at a stoplight on a Friday night and some dumbass
punk pulls up in his lowered Civic or Integra GS-R (ooh) all chromed
out and revs his engine. I work at an Acura dealership, and I know
from vast experience that for the money, an Integra GS-R is a pussy!
All it does is revs high. I ALWAYS leave Hondas (and most VW’s) in
the dust. One evening I had a couple of punks in a purple 91 or 92
Accord all decked out chasing me after I kicked the shit out of it
back at the light. All I had to do was take a corner on a dime, step
on it, and I lost him.
I try not to drag muscle cars or anything with engines twice the
weight of my car. The only time I seriously got my ass kicked off of
a stoplight was by a cherried Alfa Romeo Spider. Twin cam four banger
– bam! it was gone.
Long live the A-1 Scirocco!!
On 9 May 1996, Darren Seeman wrote:
> My friend (Honda owner) was watching me online the other
> day and was amazed that almost every message in this
> group was about a problem! He joked that if there was
> a Honda newsgroup, there might not be anyone writing in
> it!
> What’s up guys! I want to read a little about your cars,
> not just their PROBLEMS! I’ll start…
> Darren
That’s cuz hoda drivers only keep their cars two years or 70k miles, then
they lease another. Some of us can’t bear the thought of getting rid of
our VW.
Denis J. Lajoie wrote:
> When driving my VW i tend to be a little irrational, driving on
> instinct and sometimes pure adrenaline, so when i’m not driving i
> know that a Honda isn’t worth the effort, but when i’m in my GTI
> and one slips besides me with tinted windows a booming comming from
> its radio and a toy hooked on his rear view mirror and aftermarket
> mags and sometimes they even have neons beneath or on the liscence
> plate. Then there is no room left for rational thought, i just floor
> it, sometimes they get it at the first light, and sometimes not.
What I loved is the look on the face of this Civic driver who thought he
was all cool after I dusted him in my shitty flat black 1978 Rabbit.
Before the light went green he was making fun of me and my car. I kept
my mouth shut till after I roasted him in first gear. I’m sure he felt
like and ass when his nice shiny white new Civic got beaten my a crusty
looking 14-15 year old car.
–
Chris Krepski
e-mail: ckrep…@chat.carleton.ca
WWW: http://chat.carleton.ca/~ckrepski
Ed Holliday (?…@sccoast.net) wrote:
: I think you would have to agree that Magazine numbers are not everything
: A VW just has a feel that can’t be quantitated (spelling sucks) It just
: feels better than other cars. Obviously there is something great about
: VWs since we are all VW freaks. I think Honda drivers typically just like
: reliable transportation and thats enough. The VWofAmerica people have it
: right VW Drivers Wanted.
Hey guys, what about having some real fun and cross-posting this to the
rec.autos.makers.honda newsgroup!
We can’t just trash their cars, and not be prepared to hear their
response can we? Any VW owner brave-enough to cross-post this thread?
Ryan
In article <4mv7om$…@jec322.its.rpi.edu>,
kok…@jec322.its.rpi.edu (James Kokernak) wrote:
>In article <4mrtil$…@ratty.wolfe.net>, nailh…@wolfenet.com (Darren
Seeman) writes:
>|>
>|>
>|>
>|> My friend (Honda owner) was watching me online the other
>|> day and was amazed that almost every message in this
>|> group was about a problem! He joked that if there was
>|> a Honda newsgroup, there might not be anyone writing in
>|> it!
>There is a Honda newsgroup and they get quite a bit of traffic.
>They have just as many problems posted as we do.
It’s quite true, hondas (as they age) do have problems too. I’m a
former vw owner (80, 82 gas rabbit, 80 diesel rabbit, 82 scirocco…) and a
former honda owner (87 integra). I must say that both are well designed and
built cars. The early integras and the CRX si were probably the ‘funnest’ cars
honda ever built, and then they gave up on fun and got bland… Hmmm funny vw
still makes the GTI. That says something. Interestingly enough I found that
the hondas cost more to fix! (at least I always paid more for parts for the
integra, and yes, it DID break sometimes)
I guess I’m trying to say that honda builds a competent, reliable, but
somewhat boring car these days. That’s fine for some people, but if you crave
excitement and character, get a vw.
=============================================================
Mark Juliano
Research Associate
Georgia Tech Research Institute
7220 Richardson Road Telephone:(770)528-7881
Smyrna, Georgia 30080 Fax:(770)528-7083
email: mark.juli…@gtri.gatech.edu
"For men become myths, not by what they know, nor even by what
they achieve, but by the tasks they set for themselves." Henry Kissinger in "A World Restored"
Car and Driver recently reviewed the 96 VW GTI and found it to be very
bland. They mentioned that in the early 80′s when the GTI was first
introduced, nothing was as quick, sporty and fuel efficient. Today’s GTI
is less than exceptional.
Honda still makes fun cars. Test drive the Del Sol VTEC, or the Prelude
VTEC sometime.
By the way, what IS the newsgroup for Honda’s?
In article <4n7ajq$…@mordred.gatech.edu>, mark.juli…@gtri.gatech.edu
says…
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>In article <4mv7om$…@jec322.its.rpi.edu>,
> kok…@jec322.its.rpi.edu (James Kokernak) wrote:
>>In article <4mrtil$…@ratty.wolfe.net>, nailh…@wolfenet.com (Darren
>Seeman) writes:
>>|>
>>|>
>>|>
>>|> My friend (Honda owner) was watching me online the other
>>|> day and was amazed that almost every message in this
>>|> group was about a problem! He joked that if there was
>>|> a Honda newsgroup, there might not be anyone writing in
>>|> it!
>>There is a Honda newsgroup and they get quite a bit of traffic.
>>They have just as many problems posted as we do.
> It’s quite true, hondas (as they age) do have problems too. I’m
a
>former vw owner (80, 82 gas rabbit, 80 diesel rabbit, 82 scirocco…)
and a
>former honda owner (87 integra). I must say that both are well designed
and
>built cars. The early integras and the CRX si were probably the
‘funnest’ cars
>honda ever built, and then they gave up on fun and got bland… Hmmm
funny vw
>still makes the GTI. That says something. Interestingly enough I found
that
>the hondas cost more to fix! (at least I always paid more for parts for
the
>integra, and yes, it DID break sometimes)
>I guess I’m trying to say that honda builds a competent, reliable, but
>somewhat boring car these days. That’s fine for some people, but if you
crave
>excitement and character, get a vw.
>=============================================================
>Mark Juliano
>Research Associate
>Georgia Tech Research Institute
>7220 Richardson Road Telephone:(770)528-7881
>Smyrna, Georgia 30080 Fax:(770)528-7083
>email: mark.juli…@gtri.gatech.edu
>"For men become myths, not by what they know, nor even by what
>they achieve, but by the tasks they set for themselves."
Henry Kissinger in "A World Restored"
Why not prove it to everyone and bring your rust bucket to "The Battle Of
the Imports" on the west coast? We’ll see how long you beat GSR’s then!
In article <4n5skl$…@vista.hevanet.com>, vi…@hevanet.com says…
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>"Denis J. Lajoie" <dlaj…@magi.com> wrote:
>>When driving my VW i tend to be a little irrational, driving on
>>instinct and sometimes pure adrenaline, so when i’m not driving i
>>know that a Honda isn’t worth the effort, but when i’m in my GTI
>>and one slips besides me with tinted windows a booming comming from
>>its radio and a toy hooked on his rear view mirror and aftermarket
>>mags and sometimes they even have neons beneath or on the liscence
>>plate. Then there is no room left for rational thought, i just floor
>>it, sometimes they get it at the first light, and sometimes not.
>I am a former GTI owner, and I loved it. I had to get rid of it
>because the previous owner thrashed the hell out of it.
>But now I have a black 78 Scirocco that I have slammed. heh heh.
>I dropped a GTI 1.8L with big valve head (all port ‘n polished along
>with the intake and header matched) Nuespeed throttle body, NS cam,
>tri-Y header with full Ansa (the best all around) racing exhuast, NS
>front and rear sway bars, NS front upper and lower and rear upper tie
>support bars, 15in TSW Stealths, tasteful Zender body kit, air dam
>with PIAA halogens, and ground effects (also tastefull, not too
>cocky). And Recaro interior.
>There is nothing that brings a smile to my face quicker than when I am
>innocently sitting at a stoplight on a Friday night and some dumbass
>punk pulls up in his lowered Civic or Integra GS-R (ooh) all chromed
>out and revs his engine. I work at an Acura dealership, and I know
>from vast experience that for the money, an Integra GS-R is a pussy!
>All it does is revs high. I ALWAYS leave Hondas (and most VW’s) in
>the dust. One evening I had a couple of punks in a purple 91 or 92
>Accord all decked out chasing me after I kicked the shit out of it
>back at the light. All I had to do was take a corner on a dime, step
>on it, and I lost him.
>I try not to drag muscle cars or anything with engines twice the
>weight of my car. The only time I seriously got my ass kicked off of
>a stoplight was by a cherried Alfa Romeo Spider. Twin cam four banger
>- bam! it was gone.
>Long live the A-1 Scirocco!!
I must say that before I bought my GTI I went to an Acura dealer to check
out why the mags loved the Integra GS-R so much. To be fair, it _was_ a
nice car with a nice motor, and a better-feeling suspension than my stock
GTI VR6; maybe almost as good as my old ’89 GTI 16v! However, I got the
GTI VR6 anyway because:
1) The VR6 motor is _sweet_!
2) I got 185k miles on my old ’89 GTI 16v before I sold it (still running
strong, and with a solid body even in these rusty climes). After 11k
miles on my new one, I’ve had no problems…
3) For about $1k (US) I can have the GTI handling _better_ than the
Integra. Add AVS tires and I’ll be happy indeed…
4) Why the heck does Honda insist on putting solid lifters in their modern
street cars? Sure, I understand that they’re good for a couple more
horsepower, and that’s enough reason to have them for a race-prepped car.
And the GS-R is a high-revver, but can’t those clever engineers come up
with a hydraulic lifter that’ll handle it? I drive a lot (averaging over
700 miles per week) and detest doing valve adjustments. I like the VR6′s
timing _chain_ for similar maintenance reasons. IMHO a car’s reliability
claims are to be discounted if that car demands high levels of
maintenance. The trick is to design a reliable, low-maintenance,
high-performance, reasonably priced car. And that’s what we’ve got!
5) I frequently need to carry bass amps and other boxy loads; for a car of
its size, the GTI’s cargo capability can’t be beat.
Cheers,
– Bob Tillman
’96 GTI VR6 11k miles (_still_ stock)
In article <4nasqh$…@news.microsoft.com>, gre…@microsoft.com says…
>Car and Driver recently reviewed the 96 VW GTI and found it to be very
>bland. They mentioned that in the early 80′s when the GTI was first
>introduced, nothing was as quick, sporty and fuel efficient. Today’s
GTI
>is less than exceptional.
>Honda still makes fun cars. Test drive the Del Sol VTEC, or the Prelude
>VTEC sometime.
I agree VWs are starting to turn into wussy mobiles *starting* hopefully
they will end this soft suspension and crappy tire trend soon. I think
they are trying to appeal to the "American Market" and forgetting us die
hard VW fanatics. Most of us in the US want soft cars NOT ME, ANyway it’s
funny that Car and Driver said it wasn’t so good, I think it was Road and
Track (I only read European Car) that had the GTI on the Cover with the
Title Golf Balls are Back, SO who can you really trust?
As for the V-TEch Del Sol, I’ve driven one and I liked it but I wasn’t
impressed too much. You need to rev it foreverto get any power and I
still like my Scirocco better for One Hell of a lot less money.
>By the way, what IS the newsgroup for Honda’s?
rec.autos.makers.honda
BTW I checked it out and Yes there are many complaints about Older Hondas
there and many complaints about them becomming boring another thing that
I noticed was a lot of Hondas and Acuras for sale with 70,000 or less
miles. Usually when I see a VW for sale it has well over 100,000 miles.
My SCirocco currently has 125,000 miles and runds great <knock on wood>
In article <4n4tc5$…@news.magi.com>, "Denis J. Lajoie" <dlaj…@magi.com> writes:
|> …
|> Do you guys know about someone so bent on his car (or make)
|> that he had it tatooed on his arm ? Well now you do.
|>
|> Jack Rabbit GTI
Well, I guess that’s a first… However, I think the Harley folks have
a wee bit more fanatical devotion to their vehicles…
As far as this whole Honda bashing issue, I do have a few observations…
First, as a ’90 Civic Si owner (in addition to the ’85 GLI…), I do resent
the high level of vehicular chauvinism in this group. It is unwarranted.
Honda did make some cars that were very fun to drive and responded very
well to "tweeks". My Si has certainly surprised some folks at the track
driving Porsches and BMWs. They produce engines with specific outputs
bettered only by Ferraris and Turbos. That GS-R that you folks make fun
of is a 1.7 or 1.8 liter engine! The VW equivalent is a 2.8 for the
same peak horsepower. But, the problem is that it is like comparing
apples to oranges. They are different cars produced with different
philosophies.
As another comparison, the word in the ITA ranks is that the VWs have more
horsepower, but the CRXs can outhandle them. Don’t shoot me, that is a
quote from an IT CRX driver…
And don’t forget the days a few years back when CRXs were pretty
dominant at the auto-xs…
Alas, Honda has "sold out". They have settled on a plain vanilla
design and sell shitloads of them. That much I will acknowledge.
I miss the days when you could buy a Civic/CRX that could win at
the track. No more, unless you want to spend 25K on a Prelude
VTEC (which dominate their class in the SCCA World Challenge…).
Also, I have to admit that most of the reason for Honda’s
image in a forum such as this is the people who drive them. I agree,
some of them are poseurs with their 3" drops and 17" wheels and 200 lbs.
of woofer magnets. But that is not all of us. You wouldn’t know mine
from stock, but I’d be happy to run with ya’ in the twisties. You just
might be surprised!
As far as the newsgroups go — there is a distinct difference between
the VW and Honda groups, and that is why I like the VW group. The Honda
group has way more discussion of stereos and all that. There doesn’t
seem to be as high a percentage of driving enthusiasts. There is even
a Honda Performance mailing list, now. But it’s interesting, most of
the people who wonder about 17" wheels have the newer ones… And
those who talk about really racin’ on road courses have the older ones…
Draw your own conclusions, but just don’t bash Hondas merely because
they are Hondas. Some of them are pretty good cars and you might
actually like some of the people who drive them. It’s all just
apples and oranges…
Mike Kohlbrenner
<kohlb…@an.hp.com>
In article <4nb0ve$…@news.magi.com>,
Denis J. Lajoie <dlaj…@magi.com> wrote:
>I will be posting VW vs honda stories that happened to me in the
>past 5 years that i’ve owned VW’s, i’ll do this tomorrow.
VW vs. Honda
(Cylinder Head Wars)
US (Me and my brother) THEM (My parents)
81′ Rabbit Convertible 140k Running 84′ accord 79k Toast
86′ GTI 190k Still Fast 84′ primer gray civic 101k Scrap
86′ Wolfs Jetta GLI 150k Smooth 92′ civic 68k Plastic
the good news is that my mom may be coming around with plans for a new Jetta
rah…@unixg.ubc.ca (Ryan Rahim) wrote:
>Ed Holliday (?…@sccoast.net) wrote:
>: I think you would have to agree that Magazine numbers are not everything
>: A VW just has a feel that can’t be quantitated (spelling sucks) It just
>: feels better than other cars.
Obviously there is something great about VWs since we are all VW
freaks.
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Wonderful logic
I think Honda drivers typically just like
>: reliable transportation and thats enough. The VWofAmerica people have it
>: right VW Drivers Wanted.
>Hey guys, what about having some real fun and cross-posting this to the
>rec.autos.makers.honda newsgroup!
>We can’t just trash their cars, and not be prepared to hear their
>response can we? Any VW owner brave-enough to cross-post this thread?
>:-)
>Ryan
Yes Ryan, you guys really should. As a Honda reader, Mustang
reader and occasional Volkswagen reader (I’m a _car_ enthusiast),
I find these last few posts very stereotypical and quite funny.
Please make sure that the first 4-5 are reposted as they are some
of the funniest (if misguided) I’ve seen recently.
Cheers,
Shawn
–my opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer–
I also read somewhere while back, that something around 30% of VW owners
(were talking new VWs, not Rabbits!) fix their own cars, where as less
than 1% of Honda owners do their own maitenance/repairs. Have you ever
tried to work on a newer Honda? I was just talking to a friend about his
experiences. Just simple things, like where the oil filter is! His car
of choice was a VW, but ended up buying his parent’s Honda. I think VW is
more of a ‘Driver’s Car’. Not to bash Hondas, they are reliable, and do
hold together quite well. I am not much of a fan of the A3 generation
either. Too fat & mushy. However, with a little tweeking, are much nice
that a Honda (IMO)! Another comment on parts, I am very fond of all the
available aftermarker for VW. Their are plentiful, and cheap (when
comparing to Honda). How many Honda tuners are there in your area? How
my VW tuners? Where I live, you’d have to drive 1-2 hrs to even get to a
Honda tuner. I can get to quite a few VW places in under 15 mins!
Jason
’79 VW Rabbit
’80 VW GTI
’83 VW GTI
(Previously owned 83 Scirocco, 84 Scirocco Wolfsburg & No Hondas!)
Denis J. Lajoie (dlaj…@magi.com) wrote:
: That wouldn’t be wise since 99.8% of honda owners dont know what a
: spark-plug does, they would write things based on their opinions,
: so their articles would be worthless to this newsgroup, it would
: pollute our group and piss us off when we see the dumb remarks we get
: from them. So lets be natural, that is accept that you own a supperior
: car and dont rub in their faces (i pity them), just blow-em away
: on the streets to mark your territory.
: Hey guys ! Loved your responses, dont stop know, we’re on a roll.
: I will be posting VW vs honda stories that happened to me in the
: past 5 years that i’ve owned VW’s, i’ll do this tomorrow.
: Until then…
: Jack Rabbit GTI
: (these are my own words not Denis’s,my father)
On 14 May 1996 20:48:41 GMT, kohlb…@news.an.hp.com (Mike
Kohlbrenner) wrote:
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>Draw your own conclusions, but just don’t bash Hondas merely because
>they are Hondas. Some of them are pretty good cars and you might
>actually like some of the people who drive them. It’s all just
>apples and oranges…
>Mike Kohlbrenner
><kohlb…@an.hp.com>
Good post Mike! I find it really amusing how some people will bash a
Honda as some worthless pile of bolts, and then in the next sentence
PROUDLY boast about beating one in a street race. Personally, IF I
didn’t think another car was worthy, I wouldn’t bother wasting the
gas, and putting the extra wear on my clutch. I certainly wouldn’t
brag about beating a car IF I thought it was inferior. What’s the
challenge and/or accomplishment? There was another poster, who owned
an ’83 VW, and complained about about how late model Honda’s are
difficult to work on. I wonder if he’s ever done any work on a late
model VW? Mike is ABSOLUTELY correct, it’s apples and oranges.
Anyway, as a former CRX Si owner, I KNOW that Honda is capable of
building cars for the enthusiast. It’s too bad they’ve stopped
importing a "car enthusiast’s" car, but I guess that’s more a
reflection of how they view the North American market than of their
engineering. This is the same line of thinking that VW NA used when
they DIDN’T import any 2.9l VR6′s, or VR6 Syncro’s (i.e. not worth the
trouble). Too bad. So when you bash the Honda’s that you see in
North America, just remember that VW NA has also taken a few steps
down that slippery slope. They may say "driver’s wanted", but I have
a strong feeling that, in reality, any warm body with money will do.
Let’s hope that VW NA doesn’t learn that they will sell more cars by
hanging a "GTI" nameplate on a basically standard model. They’d NEVER
do that would they? ;-)
Steve Sugiyama
s…@passport.ca
’92 Passat G60 Syncro
In article <4n577g$…@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, m…@ix.netcom.com(MTCK) wrote:
> I was thinking of getting a tatoo of VW on my arm, but my girl said
>if I’m going to get a tatoo of a name it better be hers.
> I’m trading her in soon…anyone…
> MTCK 87′ Scirocco 16v
Send picture and complete service history if possible. (especially under
hood shots of engine compartment) Also do she have any aftermarket parts?
Upgrades? Upcoming service problems? Milage/year of man./engine code..
[Sorry was WAY too tempting ^_^ ]
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